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	<title>Comments on: The Church Needs a New Confession: Pathetic-ness as Moral Failing</title>
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		<title>By: JohnzoBonzo</title>
		<link>http://thepublicsphere.com/2009/03/church-new-confession/comment-page-1/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnzoBonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this is a pointless exercise and rationalization.  There is a big lie at the heart of your religion, that you can understand God&#039;s mind, and that your books and texts are revelations from God.  And no matter how you try to jump around and redefine things, you are lying to yourself at the core, and therefore will not be able to tell anyone else the truth.  And the lie in your life will always lead back to the same ugly things that religion always leads to.

Oh, you&#039;re not Muslims?  Well, that changes everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this is a pointless exercise and rationalization.  There is a big lie at the heart of your religion, that you can understand God&#8217;s mind, and that your books and texts are revelations from God.  And no matter how you try to jump around and redefine things, you are lying to yourself at the core, and therefore will not be able to tell anyone else the truth.  And the lie in your life will always lead back to the same ugly things that religion always leads to.</p>
<p>Oh, you&#8217;re not Muslims?  Well, that changes everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Harper Ergo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harper Ergo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So my question for the earlier comment poster, why did you focus on the piece of the article that deals with the Holocaust in Europe (which, by the way, millions of Catholics and Lutherans did let happen; and you can&#039;t prove that Christianity motivated the soldiers of other European nations who fought against Germany, just that a handful of Christians felt motivated by Christianity to save some people sometimes, and I am pretty sure the author was clear about that)? It seems you missed the whole point, that often Christians are too spineless to take a real stand against racism today, too cowardly to use Holder&#039;s description. Apologies are no substitute for genuine self-reflexive action. Inert disapproval is not the same thing as taking a real moral stand, however much postmodern church-goers seem to think it is. So, if that is the point of the article, then yes, the actions taken by many in WWII suggest a significant spine, but why did they take those actions? Christian-motivated defense of innocent victims? Or self-preservation and loyalty to the nation-state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So my question for the earlier comment poster, why did you focus on the piece of the article that deals with the Holocaust in Europe (which, by the way, millions of Catholics and Lutherans did let happen; and you can&#8217;t prove that Christianity motivated the soldiers of other European nations who fought against Germany, just that a handful of Christians felt motivated by Christianity to save some people sometimes, and I am pretty sure the author was clear about that)? It seems you missed the whole point, that often Christians are too spineless to take a real stand against racism today, too cowardly to use Holder&#8217;s description. Apologies are no substitute for genuine self-reflexive action. Inert disapproval is not the same thing as taking a real moral stand, however much postmodern church-goers seem to think it is. So, if that is the point of the article, then yes, the actions taken by many in WWII suggest a significant spine, but why did they take those actions? Christian-motivated defense of innocent victims? Or self-preservation and loyalty to the nation-state?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Maine-iac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Maine-iac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... let&#039;s get this straight.
Atheist left-wing lunatic fascist movement murders six million Jews and millions of other assorted people.
The Pope (in other words, one guy in Italy) hears about it but keeps his mouth shut.
Strongest, most religious, Christian nation on Earth sacrifices half a million of its sons to put an end to the madness.

And your take on this is that this is the great moral failing of Christianity? I think Christians come out of it looking pretty good, actually, and atheistic Europeans not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; let&#8217;s get this straight.<br />
Atheist left-wing lunatic fascist movement murders six million Jews and millions of other assorted people.<br />
The Pope (in other words, one guy in Italy) hears about it but keeps his mouth shut.<br />
Strongest, most religious, Christian nation on Earth sacrifices half a million of its sons to put an end to the madness.</p>
<p>And your take on this is that this is the great moral failing of Christianity? I think Christians come out of it looking pretty good, actually, and atheistic Europeans not so much.</p>
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